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Welcome to Frame of Reference - Talking about topics that matter - Listening for ideas that will change our world.

Coming up on Frame of Reference:

  • July 17th, 2025 - Bombs, Distractions, and the Death of Diplomacy - When global tensions flare, it's often what's happening behind the scenes that matters most. In this thought-provoking episode, we dig into the complex relationship between domestic politics and international conflicts, focusing on the recent escalation between Israel and Iran.
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