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Welcome to Frame of Reference - Talking about topics that matter - Listening for ideas that will change our world.

Coming up on Frame of Reference:

  • June 20th, 2025 - Building Better Leaders: Jim Carlough's Six Pillars Approach - Jim Carlough, accomplished business strategist and author, shares his six pillars of effective leadership, emphasizing integrity as the foundation that makes all other leadership qualities possible. Through compelling stories from his 30-year career, he demonstrates how integrity combined with empathy creates environments where people thrive even through difficult transitions.
  • July 4, 2025 - Rule of Law : Our Last Line of Defense  Antowan and Rauel dive into a discussion of the "Big Beautiful Bill" which takes a fascinating turn when examining the phenomenon of Americans voting against their own interests – referencing Jonathan Metzl's book "Dying of Whiteness" – and how fear and manipulation drive political decision-making. "People will vote against their own best interest to keep their agenda intact," 

Our Recent Episodes

Thursday, August 26, 2021 Prepping for Peppering: Chris Barnardo

This is bonus content from the interview I did with Chris Barnardo back in Mid June.  Chris and I did a test  earlier that day to just shake down the ...

Thursday, August 19, 2021 The Power of Police Work - Travis Hilliard

In this final part of our three part series on Police work, Travis and I look at what the core problems are facing our police officers. The personal ...

Thursday, August 12, 2021 The Paradox of Police Work - Travis Hilliard

Part 2 of a three part interview with Travis Hilliard, a 30 year veteran of law enforcement agencies. Travis and I explore the difficulties of being ...

Thursday, August 5, 2021 The Perplexity of Police Work - Travis Hilliard

There are people in this world, that simply because of their presence, they make you FEEL safe.  Not because they carry a gun, but because they exude ...

Thursday, July 29, 2021 The Antidote for Abuse: Cathy Lins

In part 3 of our series, we talk about some positive steps that individuals and groups can take to start the process of recovering from Abuse and Trau...

Thursday, July 22, 2021 The Articulation of Abuse: Cathy Lins

Furthering our discussion on becoming more "Trauma Informed" - Cathy and I look more deeply at the causes and symptoms of abuse and trauma in individu...

Thursday, July 15, 2021 The Agony of Abuse: Cathy Lins

In this episode I begin a 3 part interview with Cathy Lins, founder of Gather my Lost Sheep, which is a not-for-profit organization devoted to educati...

Thursday, July 8, 2021 The Fashioning of Fantasy: Chris Barnardo - Part 2

This conclusion to my interview with Chris Barnardo (CEO and Co-Founder of The Wand Company), continues with me exploring his professional journey in ...

Thursday, July 1, 2021 The Fashioning of Fantasy: Chris Barnardo - Part 1

This two part interview with Chris Barnardo (CEO and Co-Founder of The Wand Company), is filled with background on him personally as well as his profe...

Thursday, June 24, 2021 Advocating for Art (AGAIN): Lindsey Geise - Part 2

In part 2 of our interview, Lindsey and I delved (some might say foolishly) into some of the big questions about Art.  What is (and ISN'T) Art?  What ...

Thursday, June 17, 2021 Advocating (AGAIN) for Art: Lindsey Giese - PT 1

If you want to get all ARTSY (and believe me there's no better way to be) Lindsey can help you find your groove. 

Thursday, June 10, 2021 Excellence in Entrepreneurship: Marietta Reuter - Part 2

In March of 1995 Marietta founded Tools of Marketing, Inc. a successful woman-owned promotional products and fulfillment company.  Having grown up on ...

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