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Welcome to Frame of Reference - Talking about topics that matter - Listening for ideas that will change our world.

Coming up on Frame of Reference:

  • June 20th, 2025 - Building Better Leaders: Jim Carlough's Six Pillars Approach - Jim Carlough, accomplished business strategist and author, shares his six pillars of effective leadership, emphasizing integrity as the foundation that makes all other leadership qualities possible. Through compelling stories from his 30-year career, he demonstrates how integrity combined with empathy creates environments where people thrive even through difficult transitions.
  • July 4, 2025 - Rule of Law : Our Last Line of Defense  Antowan and Rauel dive into a discussion of the "Big Beautiful Bill" which takes a fascinating turn when examining the phenomenon of Americans voting against their own interests – referencing Jonathan Metzl's book "Dying of Whiteness" – and how fear and manipulation drive political decision-making. "People will vote against their own best interest to keep their agenda intact," 

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This is part 2 of a 3-part interview with Jay Salinas; Brenda Baker, as well as Jacque and Dan Enge.  These guests bring robust backgrounds and life e...

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